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'Recent legislation now requires all new cars sold in Europe to have speed-limiting devices fitted, beginning this Sunday, 7 July 2024.'

https://www.drive.com.au/news/speed-limiters-mandatory-new-cars-in-europe/

Germany has unlimited speed on some roads. We have been doing 160kph & were overtaken like we were standing still on some "quiet" autobahns.

But then again these autobahns make our best Australian roads look like rubbish.

Personally I wouldn't mind the speed limiting for the city where speed sign speeds change every 7 metres!

Or in Crows Nest Sydney due to major construction beside the road, every second day it's 40kph... for over a year now. If the car did the thinking I wouldn't mind.

Or in Manly 30kph, but the cruise control doesn't go that low.

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On those fancy unlimited speed autobahns that you mention, EVERY vehicle with a GVM of 3.5T or more is limited to 80kph NOW.
That includes all trucks and many RVs.
And no commercial trucks are permitted to drive on Sunday without a special permit.
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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

On those fancy unlimited speed autobahns that you mention, EVERY vehicle with a GVM of 3.5T or more is limited to 80kph NOW.

That includes all trucks and many RVs.

And no commercial trucks are permitted to drive on Sunday without a special permit.

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Sounds like a good idea to me peter.

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My daily driver has this feature, when selected it reads the speed limit singe's and adjusts the limiter to suite .

-- Edited by landy on Monday 8th of July 2024 10:16:33 PM

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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

On those fancy unlimited speed autobahns that you mention, EVERY vehicle with a GVM of 3.5T or more is limited to 80kph NOW.

That includes all trucks and many RVs.

And no commercial trucks are permitted to drive on Sunday without a special permit.

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Peter


again referring to NSW heavy vehicles were prohibited at one time, from coming into Sydney on a Sunday afternoon but i may be showing my age

as far as speed limiting cars, trucks have been speed limited since the 1980's and before that most Pommy trucks were geared to a maximum speed of 40 MPH as per the speed limit for HGV in the UK

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Not a big fan of speed limiting.I have witnessed too many close calls on country roads with road trains passing another vehicle with a closing speed only marginally faster and taking 5 kilometres to get past and ending up creating a dangerous situation with on coming traffic.The same too with a driver who elects to pass a road train travelling at 100kph and the driver of the car refuses to go any faster than the posted speed limit of 110kph and ends up taking so long to make the overtake that they are faced with oncoming traffic and there is almost been a head on.I know that the law says you cannot exceed the limit under any circ*mstances, but this becomes senseless if you are faced with imminent death all because you must not speed up under any circ*mstances.I know there will be those that say don't pass then, wait for an overtaking lane, but there are many highways in this country that simply don't have them.An example of this was on the Stuart Hwy across the Hay Plain.I was sat at my usual 100kph and was slowly gathered in by a roadtrain doing about 2kph faster than me.About 20ks out of Balranald he elected to pass me on a long straight but his passing speed was such that he just wasn't going to make it in the length of the straight. 2kph was going to take him all the way to Balranald to get the job done.There happened to be some on coming vehicles come onto the straight as he started his move but he persisted.If I hadn't backed right off and actually braked quite firmly there would have been a head on.Perhaps if he hadn't have been speed limited the situation may not have developed quite like it did.A much more sensible device is the cruise control with speed sign recognition so that it maintains the legal speed but can be over ridden should the need arise.

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I agree with Greg. In the example of 2kph faster, that is 200 metres in 6 minutes. Maybe more than 3 minutes to overtake/be overtaken by a roadtrain with sufficient room to pull in front.

The problem is even if the overtake begins with no other car in sight, a lot can change in that time. Impatience, unfortunately drives human nature to persist, when logic and safety says the attempt should be abandoned. Even 5kph faster still takes a long time. If half way past, braking and pulling back in behind may present its own dangers.

If speeding up 10kph or more enables a faster overtake, (whether over the limit or not) that is a lot safer. Of course the even safer option is to sit behind, but for some that is all too hard.

Perhaps the rules should be changed to allow a brief increase in speed above posted limits for such situations when safe to do so.

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I agree with Greg. In the example of 2kph faster, that is 200 metres in 6 minutes. Maybe more than 3 minutes to overtake/be overtaken by a roadtrain with sufficient room to pull in front.

The problem is even if the overtake begins with no other car in sight, a lot can change in that time. Impatience, unfortunately drives human nature to persist, when logic and safety says the attempt should be abandoned. Even 5kph faster still takes a long time. If half way past, braking and pulling back in behind may present its own dangers.

If speeding up 10kph or more enables a faster overtake, (whether over the limit or not) that is a lot safer. Of course the even safer option is to sit behind, but for some that is all too hard.

Perhaps the rules should be changed to allow a brief increase in speed above posted limits for such situations when safe to do so.


are we going to make excuses/exceptions to speed

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We should be legally permitted to exceed the speed limit to safely overtake , but it will never happen because it will get abused , the other option is to travel at the same speed as the trucks , Road Trains , that's what I do they never catch me and I very rarely need to over take them , sometimes in hills or those limited to 90KPH .

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If you are travelling at 100kph, it is a lot easier to overtake another vehicle that is doing 70kph than one that is doing 95kph.
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An example of this was on the Stuart Hwy across the Hay Plain.
I was sat at my usual 100kph and was slowly gathered in by a roadtrain doing about 2kph faster than me.
About 20ks out of Balranald he elected to pass me on a long straight but his passing speed was such that he just wasn't going to make it in the length of the straight. 2kph was going to take him all the way to Balranald to get the job done.
There happened to be some on coming vehicles come onto the straight as he started his move but he persisted.
If I hadn't backed right off and actually braked quite firmly there would have been a head on.
Perhaps if he hadn't have been speed limited the situation may not have developed quite like it did.
A much more sensible device is the cruise control with speed sign recognition so that it maintains the legal speed but can be over ridden should the need arise.

I do not know if this applys to all modern speed limiters Greg but my vehicle is only limited to normal throttle pressure. If at any time you feel the speed limiter is limiting your safety a quick push down on the throttle brings the sort of response you you would expect from any automatic gearbox, it changes down a couple of gears and takes off, If your passing something just lifting your foot after you have passed puts you back in limited mode.
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Landy, your comment led me to open the link posted by Whenarewethere in the original post (I should have looked before).

From that link, apparently the legislation is similar to what you say, and can be overriden (and recommeded that it may be disabled). I believe Greg was thinking of speed governors such as trucks currently have, and can't be overridden. I responded based on that concept.

In fact the speed limiter as now legislated in Europse I would support. My Ford Ranger has a speed limiter, which is activated very similar to cruise control, and the limit adjusted the same way. I use it frequently on the open road as it is all too easy to creep over the limit and get a ticket. But mine does not integrate with mapping or traffic sign recognition. That would be the next step and I would embrace that, but would want the option to disable it.

I have had Traffic Sign Recognition integrated into mine, and it just flashes a warning on the dashboard. A downside is it frequently reads school zones as needing to slow to 40kph. If this activated a speed limiting feature I would be pretty peeved. This was mentioned as a nuisance in the linked Drive article.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 9th of July 2024 10:18:35 PM

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JackoFJR wrote:
are we going to make excuses/exceptions to speed

We should be legally permitted to exceed the speed limit to safely overtake , but it will never happen because it will get abused , the other option is to travel at the same speed as the trucks , Road Trains , that's what I do they never catch me and I very rarely need to over take them , sometimes in hills or those limited to 90KPH .


what ever the speed limit someone will come up with an excuse/ reason to exceed it.

what will happen at some time in the future, vehicle speed will be limited by satellites communicating with the on-board computers in vehicles. we already have collision reduction system in modern vehicles (getting closer to driverless vehicles every day)

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I will believe it when fully automated cars can negotiate Arc de Triomphe roundabout.

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Landy, your comment led me to open the link posted by Whenarewethere in the original post (I should have looked before).

From that link, apparently the legislation is similar to what you say, and can be overriden (and recommeded that it may be disabled). I believe Greg was thinking of speed governors such as trucks currently have, and can't be overridden. I responded based on that concept.

In fact the speed limiter as now legislated in Europse I would support. My Ford Ranger has a speed limiter, which is activated very similar to cruise control, and the limit adjusted the same way. I use it frequently on the open road as it is all too easy to creep over the limit and get a ticket. But mine does not integrate with mapping or traffic sign recognition. That would be the next step and I would embrace that, but would want the option to disable it.

I have had Traffic Sign Recognition integrated into mine, and it just flashes a warning on the dashboard. A downside is it frequently reads school zones as needing to slow to 40kph. If this activated a speed limiting feature I would be pretty peeved. This was mentioned as a nuisance in the linked Drive article.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 9th of July 2024 10:18:35 PM

Hi Are We Lost. My smart cruise and speed limiter are both connected with the traffic singe recognition. but with a number of options on how they integrate, the way I have it set at the moment is below 80 km per hour it shows on the dash and and a single click on the speed adjuster will set it to what the car believes is the posted speed. Above 80 it automatically adjusts itself to the posted speed limit. School zones are a pain in the arse mine beeps if you don't do 40 in school zones even out of hours, luckily I'm nearly deaf and it doesn't bother me as much as a lot of other people.

-- Edited by landy on Wednesday 10th of July 2024 11:49:03 AM

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If I am travelling at 95-96kph and being followed up by a large vehicle at 100kph, I keep my speed up (usually looking for a road widening) until that vehicle is out to pass me. Then I back off and let the big vehicle get away to enable its quicker exit from the wrong side of the road. I cannot see why making that vehicles time and distance on the wrong side of the road any longer than necessary, is going to benefit anyone. If a 50+tonne vehicle combination train decides to move over because of any approaching traffic, my 5 tonne vehicle and caravan rig and its passengers are not going to fare very well if a mishap occurs.

-- Edited by watsea on Wednesday 10th of July 2024 01:14:20 PM

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